Where’s the Security? San Diego’s Border Wall Part 1

Posted by admin on February 24th, 2010 and filed under wallpaper border | 19 Comments »

The most southwesterly point in the United States and most northwesterly point in Baja, California are very special but threatened by construction of an international border fence. The Tijuana Estuary is a transition zone between diverse plant and animal communities supporting 400 species of birds along with fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. The integrity of the estuary is threatened by the fence project. The archeological record shows that indigenous populations have been present here for the past ten to twelve thousand years. The Tijuana Estuary is the last tidal salt marsh in this region that has not been impacted by roads, railroads and other human activities. Because of this the United States Fish and Wildlife Service acquired the marsh and set it aside as the Tijuana Slough National Wildlife Refuge in 1980. In 1981 the estuary was site selected as a National Estuarine Research Reserve under the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, (NOAA). In February of 2005 it was designated as a wetland of international importance under the Ramsar Convention. The ecological concerns about construction of three fences brought the public, environmental community, agencies and elected officials together to modify the design. . All attempts were blocked by the Border Patrol. In February 2004 the California Coastal Commission voted against the project. In February 2004 six environmental organizations filed a law suit against the border patrol hoping for a better project. On December 12th of 2005 this law suite was over turned by Judge Burns in San Diego, California. It is clear that any law that would impede the construction of the border fence will be overridden at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security. The public has no recourse to modify the border fence project even if another design saves tax dollars and might be more effective. The constitutionality of process is questionable. This fence is emblematic of the politics of fear.

Dr. Michael McCoy, 8/11/08

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19 Responses

  1. stealth423 Says:

    Mexico has a secure …
    Mexico has a secure southern border, why can’t the US do the same? Good fences make good neighbors.

  2. integralboy Says:

    Your response is …
    Your response is very articulate, but the border fence construction has been completely exempt from environmental scrutiny. Michael Chertoff has waived over 30 environmental laws including; the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act. Pollution left behind by smugglers is just a small drop in the bucket. Erosion, animal migration, hydrological changes, etc., have contributed to adverse impacts to an already degraded and sensitive estuary.

  3. usevolutions Says:

    Our company serves …
    Our company serves in an advisory capacity on security, legal, and environmental issues on border security infrastructure projects. A fence is not the end of a security plan, but a necessary beginning. If properly executed in conjunction with patrol and surveillance technologies, the pollution left by smugglers will go away. Though some of the current border fencing has largely been exempted from environmental scrutiny; a good deal of oversight still remains. I hope this answers your questions.

  4. integralboy Says:

    What exactly is …
    What exactly is your expertise? First, the fence is not a solution to security. Second, The pollution caused by smuggling will continue. Third, the construction of the border fence is being conducted with no environmental regulatory oversight. etc…

  5. usevolutions Says:

    Effective barriers, …
    Effective barriers, i.e. fencing, walls, etc. are a neccesary part of any tactical infrastructure plan. The environmental damage caused by smuggling activity is far greater than any caused by the security solution.

  6. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    It’s rare but that …
    It’s rare but that have been a couple drive throughs in the Imperial Beach area. The extreme weather patterns in the area ie (fog) dictates much of the activity in the area nowadays. Horsethief Canyon! I know it well my friend and you are absolutely correct, it continues to be a hotbed for Illegal Activity. Yes, you can call the PIO office. I will send you a private message…

  7. notedigo Says:

    Oh, I really would …
    Oh, I really would like to see the smugglers in action. Given that there is no way to cross in a vehicle, and BP agents should be able to snag those wearing large backpacks, I can’t see how this area could rate in terms of smuggling–compared to Horsethief Canyon, where I HAVE had to hide. But as you pointed out, the area may truly be transformed at night–I may be talking out of my ass. No sarcasm meant. I’ve got a valid press pass. Can I call your pao to arrange for a ride along?

  8. notedigo Says:

    I doubt you have …
    I doubt you have been involved very long, and don’t know the history. Not just enviros, but other Fed agencies and State were and are against the project, but Justice (under Clinton) and later DHS refused to compromise. Every1 could have been happy, but … IMO, compromise and public input are part of the American System. Beginning with Clinton and continuing BIG TIME with Bush, the Exec Branch has overstepped its bounds. This project was meant as a slap in the face of true Democracy.

  9. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    There have been no …
    There have been no Mex snipers firing yet.If that did happen, you better believe that the response from the BP would be Massive including the highly trained snipers they have themselves.Smuggling is a business and most on the South side realize that if they go too far, retribution will be immediate and lasting-not good for business. Notedigo, it took more than 10 years to make this project happen. Every nature group and club would have fought this in the courts indefinitely,we needed action now!

  10. notedigo Says:

    I can still …
    I can still envision snipers atop Bunker Hill firing down on the agents as they try to get to an access point. I don’t envy them their position. Why wouldn’t a new 20′ fortified primary+twice the agents have sufficed? I’m NOT pro-immigrant and support the agents’ role. I’m AGAINST giving anymore power to the Feds. DHS suspended the rule of law to implement this project–draconian. If you want an all powerful Central government dictating every aspect of our lives, you are probably ok with this :)

  11. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    The primary does …
    The primary does virtually nothing to stop the flow. A simple, easily scalable 8 ft fence full of holes. A triple barrier works, plain and simple. Pre-Gatekeeper 1995 thousands poured across the border daily in San Ysidro. That figure has been reduced to mere dozens/day due in large part to the dual fencing system. There are electronic gates throughout allowing BP agents easy access north of the fence. If the smugglers become assaultive, there are non-lethal and lethal countermeasures.

  12. notedigo Says:

    You know nothing of …
    You know nothing of wetland ecology, and I doubt you care, so nm that. Lets just say there are flocks of illegals trudging through (still doubt it cuz I dont see the evidence–sounds like we r talking about diff. parts of the valley) So why a triple barrier? State, local and other Fed agencies wanted to rebuild the primary, hire more agents, and subsidize their housing–a fraction of the cost. Now, assuming BP jobs arent contracted out, they’ll be sitting ducks, trapped between 2 barriers.

  13. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    They are lying to …
    They are lying to you. Besides how would they know, do you think they actually go down there in the middle of the night to see what’s going on? If you want to see the carnage for yourself, go down to the Horse trail on a foggy night which is almost every night this time of year. Hang out near the bridge and you will hear the group’s running through the estuary by you all the way to seacoast. As I said before, a fence will have less impact than the human stampedes…

  14. notedigo Says:

    True, I’ve not …
    True, I’ve not spent much time there at night. State, County and FWS, have told me that they aren’t going through the estuary, so they are either lying or misinformed. I’ve not seen the evidence of high traffic since gatekeeper. How about a night time tour sometime? Seriously. As far as being toxic, you’re right. But testing has shown the water entering the estuary is VASTLY more contaminated than that leaving it. Google Arcata Marsh to see how good wetlands are at removing contaminants.

  15. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    As someone who …
    As someone who intimately knows the area, I can ASSURE you that there are plenty of illegal aliens sometimes hundreds per night which stomp across that so-called estuary. You won’t see much on a daytime hike, that’s not when the action is happening. The TJ river is completely polluted with toxins thanks to our S Neighbor and that will never change. The estuary will continue to be a toxic waste dump. Look S of BorderField Park and look at all the sewer pipes flowing into the Ocean and ur beach!

  16. notedigo Says:

    State Parks FWS & …
    State Parks FWS & Sierra Club were glad to have the primary fence. Now, there is almost no traffic through the estuary. I say this as a person that hikes the area several times/week. Because of Chertoff’s waivers, there will be NO remediation. If you knew anything about wetland ecology, youd know that the sediment will clog the estuary like bacon grease clogs arteries. As a result, my beaches will be even more polluted–the estuary literally helps remove chemical/biological pollutants

  17. TubeBoobforyou Says:

    Because thousands …
    Because thousands of illegal aliens are walking across those open wetlands doing FAR more damage than a fence ever could. In addition, the Tijuana estuary is FAR from pristine, it is literally a toxic waste dump as the water flows from the south of the border. There is so much toxic waste and pollution coming from the river that Border Patrol agents working there were given Hazard pay!

  18. JNStMarks Says:

    I know, why not …
    I know, why not impose laws against anyone who hires illegals. That is the only way that illegals will quit coming here. However, they might come to commit crimes still…It sucks.

    But we need fences, that is for sure!

  19. Bushesunmono Says:

    I don’t understand …
    I don’t understand why they are building a triple fence and threatening the wetlands. Why isn’t anyone doing anything to stop it? It’s like Bush’s idiocy has infected everyone.

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